From the comments section in the New York Times responding to an article "The Manly Jobs Problem" by Susan Chira, in which she described the problem women have doing work which had traditionally been the work of men. The article was pretty predictable in its "feminist studies" way, but the comments section got more interesting, as readers explored not just the effect of putting women in these jobs but the effect on the jobs themselves as women arrived.
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Claudia
Oddly, there is little mention of the sea change in medicine and surgery. There was a riddle presented to medical students in the 1970's about a car crash in which a boy and his father were killed and the surgeon who received them at the Emergency Room says, "My, God! This is my son!"
So how could that be if the father was killed in the crash?
Most students guessed the answer turned on biological vs step father. But the answer was: the surgeon was a woman.
Few thought of that. Because there were almost no American women surgeons, or physicians in those days.
Now slightly more than half of medical students and doctors are female.
In formerly male dominated specialties like gynecology, men have been driven out or simply opted out.
There was plenty of misogyny in medical schools and housestaff training programs along the way, but all that is history now.
The sheer weight of numbers in the workplace changed behavior, ethics, sensitivities.
Not all the changes as women came to dominate medical practice redounded to the benefit of the patient, as many physicians and some surgeons said, "I'm a mother first, a doctor second." But overall, the sea change as been a positive force.
Whether that will ever happen on construction sites or coal mines is another question, but it will likely be settled, as it was in medicine, by demographics, the force of numbers, not by studies, commissions, academics or editorials.
Now slightly more than half of medical students and doctors are female.
In formerly male dominated specialties like gynecology, men have been driven out or simply opted out.
There was plenty of misogyny in medical schools and housestaff training programs along the way, but all that is history now.
The sheer weight of numbers in the workplace changed behavior, ethics, sensitivities.
Not all the changes as women came to dominate medical practice redounded to the benefit of the patient, as many physicians and some surgeons said, "I'm a mother first, a doctor second." But overall, the sea change as been a positive force.
Whether that will ever happen on construction sites or coal mines is another question, but it will likely be settled, as it was in medicine, by demographics, the force of numbers, not by studies, commissions, academics or editorials.
Sza-Sza
Oh Claudia. If only it were really so. I got out of med school in the 1970s in a class of 6 women and 200 men. Truly there was great prejudice from doctors - and nurses - but medicine at that point was one of the highest paying professions around.
Now medicine is a salaried job, most practices taken over by hospitals or large national conglomerates. You get a salary, do shift work and - importantly - adhere to money producing guidelines or risk being fired.
So of course as it is devalued you see the void left filled by women as men go off to the real high paying fields like finance, where the payoff and prestige are greater. Only few women are found there.
Now medicine is a salaried job, most practices taken over by hospitals or large national conglomerates. You get a salary, do shift work and - importantly - adhere to money producing guidelines or risk being fired.
So of course as it is devalued you see the void left filled by women as men go off to the real high paying fields like finance, where the payoff and prestige are greater. Only few women are found there.
Avarren
Not every female physician or surgeon is a mother, just as not every male physician or surgeon is a father. Prioritizing work-life balance is not at all to the detriment of the patient. Happier, more grounded doctors provide better care and result in healthier patients.
Phantom,
ReplyDeleteDo you believe the entry of more women and PA's into the profession and then the profession is overtaken by the insurance companies and medical corporations is just coincidence..or not?
Maud
Ms. Maud,
ReplyDeleteUnlike Sza Sza, I think women entered the American medical profession before the other tectonic shifts occurred and they were in place when the environment changed.
It's pretty clear,as Sza Sza says, women moved in to fill the void left by men who went off in pursuit of jobs in finance.
What's remarkable, and seldom remarked upon, is the government was not the source of this reduction of money and with it prestige--that all happened in the private insurance sector. So people like the Frists of Nashville, who were trying to fight off government chose the wrong enemy and were outflanked.
Now we have a new paradigm--the "bare foot doctors" see patients on the front lines and every practitioner, from NP or PA in the office to the specialist is put on an assembly line which the managers control, and relentlessly turn up the speed of that line, so they can show their bosses a "3% increase in productivity (i.e. numbers of patients seen daily) per annum, as if medical care were automobile production.
If you can find it on Amazon, "One Doctor" by Bredan Reilly, depicts the "old time religion" of a doctor doing real medicine, and you contrast that with what you see in the office today, and you see the difference.